
India got bombed today - AGAIN. Multiple cities have been bombed with impunity in the past few weeks and the so called success against the Indian Mujaheddin in Delhi has not caused innocent lives to be saved. During my chat conversation with friends regarding bombings, the common refrain often is - 'What can you and I do sitting from here?' or 'Oh, thats sad. How is everything else?'.
How is everything else? Are you serious? People are getting bombed in my city and you're asking me how my weekend went? The more I think about it, the more disgusted I feel about how the cliched statement - 'In America, out of sight is out of mind'. But really, what can you and I do? My take on it is - we can prepare. Most of us cannot hunt terrorists but we can read and talk about it. We cannot be with the victims from so far but we can feel disgusted about it. We cannot convince everybody but we can try and build national consensus against terror.
Which brings us to the question - how long can we, the common man in India, continue to avoid the reality that the War on Terror is not for America to fight for us, that it is not for the our brave men and women in the armed forces to clean up, the fact that it is not too far away from home and for someone else to worry about. Quiet contrary, the civil society as we know it is under attack. The fact that innocent lives are being lost (including folks from the same religion as some of these bombers claim they are protecting) is of little concern to the killers.
However, the greater challenge is to realize that we, the civil society, is being asked a question - and a tough one too. We cannot answer it without stooping down to the level of these barbarians - and destroying our own value system in the bargain. If we do get down to their level to answer this challenge, its a propaganda victory for them. If we don't, we are doomed to die. The interesting part is that they are the ones who have set the rules of this game (suicide bombings and innocent killings) and we have no choice but to relinquish our values to survive. Either way, the war cannot be won without a cost. And the fundamental fraud foisted on the public is to claim we can have war without horror, conduct an intelligence war without dishonesty and cunning and obtain victory without sacrifice. Our dilemma reminds me of some dialogues from the latest Batman flick - the Dark Knight - which in my opinion demonstrated the human behaviour brilliantly:
"Alfred Pennyworth: A long time ago, I was in Burma, my friends and I were working for the local government. They were trying to buy the loyalty of tribal leaders by bribing them with precious stones. But their caravans were being raided in a forest north of Rangoon by a bandit. So we went looking for the stones. But in six months, we never found anyone who traded with him. One day I saw a child playing with a ruby the size of a tangerine. The bandit had been throwing them away.
Bruce Wayne: Then why steal them?
Alfred Pennyworth: Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
[later in the film]
Bruce Wayne: The bandit in Burma, did you catch him?
Alfred Pennyworth: Yes.
Bruce Wayne: How?
Alfred Pennyworth: We burned the forest down."
"Batman: What did you do?
The Joker: I took Gotham's white knight, and brought him down to our level. It wasn't hard. Y'see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little...push."
How true and how easy. Just a little push...question is how do you resist it?
29 comments:
Well written blog ... These blasts seem to be a conspiracy ... A positive from this is that at least the Indian Mujahideen is not behind this else they would have taken responsibility ... (correct me if Im wrong). However a bigger problem now is ... Who is actually behind this? Maybe politicians ..Maybe from across the border.. something fishy here ..
I do think that Intelligence in India needs a new dimension ... The challenges of being part of an Intelligence team for the largest democracy in the world is truly a different ball game ... Taking advice from other nations will not help either as the entire system in India is different ... I think this is quite a difficult problem which should be fixed soon ... Maybe with help of students in universities .. It is an active research problem in my opinion ..
Whoever it is would be identified soon - the bigger challenge is to realize that if they are one of us, how can we contain the immediate outrage and address the concerns of those who are causing this in the long term.
My thoughts should not be misinterpreted for weakness though (which has traditionally been the case on how India has been perceived against Pakistan in its response to terror). Some people just want to kill and do not share our world view - they need to be eliminated. But I am of the view that MOST of these terrorists are created and can be won over with the right approach. We need to find how to do that and kill the rest :)
Its important to know whats the motivation of the terrorists in this case. I always see press mentioning some X outfit behind the blasts but they don't mention the reason.(Babri Masjid, Kashmir, Godhra, Jealous of India's progress??)
With Lok Sabha elections nearing it might very well be politicians, businessmen etc (with help from external agencies) trying to make most out of this.
I see two things coming out of these attacks
First, the Indian society is been tolerant and tempers are not getting flared up. Which to me is the ultimate goal of these attacks- escalate tensions amongst the different sects in the society.However,question is, till when can a society resists this ?
Second, most of these attacks are happening as these people are getting a lot of support from the local outfits. To me this is much more dangerous than external elements and needs to be addressed first. We need to take care of the 'pool' of local oppressed/harassed people which are supposed to be the breeding grounds for these terrorists.
your pool of harassed people are simmering with discontent,
they are 13 % of the population btu are 60 % illiterate
and less than 3-4 % is their representation in any company for jobs...
They have been segregated.
when we talk about racism, we indians are the most racists, religiously ofcourse....
hindu fanatics hurt us more than islamic fanatics...
ever realise that???
we need to bring our brothers in the mainstream,
It took india 50 years of her independence to reach where it is,
it will take a generation for the muslims in india to come out of this mess where they definitely do nto belong....
Even the educated muslims have trouble finding jobs as they are looked down upon...
We are Indians first and then hindu , muslims and christians,
thats a cliche , but what are we doing about it...
they need to improve economically...
and lets nto blame them for reproducing too much,
even daily laborers have 5-6 children running on the road as bhikharis.
atleast these alienated pool of our brotehrs are not in such a bad situation...
India Shinning period during BJP was just for the rich indians who got richer...
but then the common man, the people who make up the masses felt alienated with all the jazzy campaigning and voted BJP out and congress in.
no comments whether that si right or wrong, but teh point is
economic alienation has to be reversed.
My first cousin in married to VHP president Vishnu hari Dalmiya's daughter and I know how much venom they spit and I have heard them talk.
If given a chance they would k*!! everyone.
They knwo teh religion of money and would nto care to sacrifice a hindu if that would give thema reason to wipe out muslims...
and dont just trust what u see and read in the news, VHP and certain people own a section of the media which plays the extreme right card to keep the fear amongst us.
after all, I hope we know now finally what happened in Godhra, the arrogance of people sitting in the train and a stone pelting issue being used as a pretext to wipe out 5000 + people..
I was in Ahmedabad during teh riots.actually I live there :|
I had friends who were part of the VHP and bajrang dal(because their grandfatehrs and fathers were local leaders)just before the riots started, but quit right at that time as they did not want to indulge in taking a voter list witha ddresses of muslims in it and go and clean them up...
Never ever do people get to know the truth and the falsehoods...
its true, u need to live it to experience it.
It was a sad day in my life when I learnt what all happened.
imagine so many families destroyed and discontent simmering amongst the remaining and u are potentially sitting on a bomb waiting to explode.
We as the majority have a responsibility and show restraint.
we have to take the hit for the greater good of india.
easier said than done, but we need to stop the vicious cycle of violence and not try to eb 1 up in this thing..
after all its just party politics.
what bush did, made iraq a scapegoat and said they have nuclear bombs , and the timid american public voted him in power.
again .
BJP will use any blast for maximum political mileage and alienate the honest people more.
This has to stop.
ofcourse I dont encourage what is happening with IM, btu the root cause has to be addressed.
We need to gie them a platform to rise up....
we need to breathe easy, relax and uplift our brothers, muslim christian or dalits,
In this age, when we stop seeing color which can actually be seen, how can we see religion,
Its a personal belief and it should not be held against you.
TOLERANCE is the key...
enuf info ..
have fun blasting me for all this what I said...
Just calculate how many muslims/christians u know and are they anywhere near the population %,
having a token muslim friend is what we all experience.
they are alienated people....
people from across the border need to fight india for their political stability,
pakistanis are more concerned about their lives and economic survival than actually be concerned about who gets kashmir,
our part of kashmir is atleast democratic,
Pok has be so ruthlessly supressed over the years that they just blame india for everything.
thats pakistan's way fo surviving.
feel sorry for those losers or nuke islamabad and wipe out those fuc@$$%$ politicians.
by the way heads up,
India is the major trading partner for pakistan,
no counry in the world likes to trade with them,
I will post the article if I see it again.
but yeah, those suckers are an unwanted child ...
:)
the sooner they realise they are isolated, the better for them, or else they will slip into medieval age progressively and become a failed state
Actually they are a failed state because pakistan central govt doesnto control more than half of pakistan, they are under the control of tribes ...
its just 3-4 major cities in pakistan that they can survive on...
Excellent blog!!Yes, it has been difficult for us to read those news, getting terribly frustrated and spoiling the whole day thinking about it...but it's high time to something..Something like the way police(or administration) did after the Mumbai blast in 1993..I believe that this will not be a very difficult task to find these *ustards out from the innocent crowd..But yes...they need a push..may be from the people sitting at the top(the politicians)...and we(the common people have to do something)..if not like the way a common man did in the movie "Wednesday", then at least by pushing our leader or the politicians to take actions against those *ssholes who think they have the right to kill people(in the name of country, religion and GOD)...I know that this will take a few more innocent lives, but this mayhem has to be stopped..the sooner the better...
it's easy to blame the politicians, showing stats and cursing the muslims(No offense)..but it's so painful to see the innocent ppl dying everyday...it's not the fact that I am at a safer place and far away from all these or that I am afraid to walk on the streets of my Hometown...but this pain is bothering me all the time...
Finding who did this is a futile exercise in itself. Terrorists are so far ahead in this game that trying to find each one of them and dealing with them through the Indian law is finding a nail in a haystack. wont work! Slash and burn is the way to go! The most important thing is to let them know that we wont leave them and we wont leave their loved ones.
If 4 guys from Azamgarh bomb Delhi (which they did), pick up their families and their friend circles and interrogate them. Scare the living hell out of the people around that if they or anybody else does this again, this is how their families and loved ones will be dealt with. I understand this is not humanitarian and all that BS, but extreme circumstances demand extreme measures.
On the other hand, if somebody comes forward and gives information about blasts or other terrorist activites about to happen, give them a hefty reward AND again follow the approach given above with families. Also, have a special award for the community from where the information was reported i.e. create some job/business opportunities for the people there. That way at least the community benefits and the chances that they will produce more terrorists gradually goes down to 0.
I think this a good 'carrot and stick' approach. When Indians actually see that they and their loved ones and their community are rewarded for being good citizens and brutally punished for not being forthcoming about terrorists, there will be clear boundaries of which side you are on.
I understand this solution is hard on families i.e. the families are being punished for a crime committed by another family member. But when my family is at stake, I care less. If I am one of the terrorists, I would think my family values are partly responsible for that and hence those values need to be attacked.
As I said before, extreme circumstances demand extreme measures
@ Rish, @Som,@Sachin: Interesting perspectives from all of you. While some of you advise being patient and dealing with the 'real cause' (whatever that might be), some of you view 'eye for an eye' method as being effective.
As I thought about the pros and cons of what you guys mentioned, an interesting FACT dawned upon me - throughout history, terrorism has been rooted out by only one way - VIOLENCE.
Think about the current day organizations - LTTE, al Qaida, PLO, Hamas or prior terrorist regimes like that of Hitler, or even further back in history like the stories mentioned in our literature - everywhere EVIL has been rooted out only through violence. Jesus and Mahatma Gandhi died because they did not pick up the gun. In fact, Gandhi would not have been a hero if the British did not stand up to their own morals. They could have easily chosen to say - to hell with one person not eating or going to jail. But Gandhi was made in to a Mahatma by the Britishers because they cared (on occasions) and were asked to stand up to their values of freedom & democracy.
Think about it - never ever in the history of the world has dialogue been able to satisfy the ones who want blood. Why they want blood and how they got there (who forced them to get there etc) can be discussed but not before they have been stopped.
A root cause of all these violence is Religious Fanaticism.
We need to deal with this issue before dealing with any other and one possible solution is to educate people and at the very same time take a very hard stance on terrorism in all forms. My $0.02 in the same.
As i see it...there are two ways the world can go from here.
1. It slowly turns into a third world war...the world against the terrorists. The problem being the differences between the countries themselves.
2. All these attacks become what one of my friends termed as 'white noise'. You stop caring..its just something that is out there. You know its out there, but you don't care to find a solution to it.
I know both are extreme scenarios..but if you look for a middle of a path, then you end up with what we have here. We'll discuss and debate about it, but nothing more.
And as for the solution..I agree with Ujjwal. A bullet for a bullet.
Just one thing about your comment Ujjwal..don't say that the Britishers cared. They were afraid of the violence that would follow had they not paid any attention to that 'one guy'. It was the leadership of the person and the fact that people were ready to do anything which he said which made him a Mahatma, not the British.
Nice to see all the comments here..
The question here is of tolerance...
If I consider India or the majority of its population(Hindus) as intollerant then there would have been Gujrat kind of riots every two weeks in responce to each bomb blast happening...
The character of India is inherently tolerant which accepts anyone irrespective of their independent identities.... We call our country as our mother... A mother whose love for all her children is equal.... This is the principle which we have been following for centuries... There were 100s of traiters and migrants from different parts of the world who came to India for whatever reason.... They all merged in the Indian mainstream just like sugar gets dissolved in milk..... However, the individual Identity of Sugar is lost... At the same time it has added the sweetness to the milk....
That is the reason we have so many sects/languages/living styles in India.... I don't see any country or people in this world which are more tolerant than our motherland...
Now digging deep into this particular issue which is bugging our minds for last couple of years... The particular community which is being talked about here is inherently intolerant in all parts of the world... This is the only community which is responsible for most of the violence in world... The basic reason for this lies in the holy scriptures which they follow blindly or the way those scriptures are interpreted.... They teach them to be intolerant in the name of one GOD.... It is their thinking and Ideology which makes them aleinated to other communities... The illiteracy and poverty cannot be the reason for them to be violent.... there are millions of people in this world who are poor.... If we take that as a factor then Africa would have vanished till now...
There is no solution to this problem other than to deal with them forcefully and have our own house strong... They cannot be forgiven for such deeds... I know that they are not affraid of there lives. The only way to threaten them is to be strong ourselves... If we are strong and united, noone will dare to look at us with raised eye brows....
i'm sure there are some things to learn from the US and why there has been no attack since 2001.
Well ..... I see some interesting comments here....An eye for an ye and a bullet for a bullet.....But who are you proposing to kill and destroy....In my opinion, the theory that "violence can only be cured by violence" is very overated.....I read in one of the comments that there has been no attack on US since 2001 because of the Iraq and Afghanistan war....But more than 5000 US soldiers and more that 1500 contractors have died in IRAQ....and more are dying everyday...Do you think it is realistic for India to attack Pakistan, kill innocent pakistanis in the process and survive the aftermath economically....and if we cannot attack Pakistan then who do we attack.....Terrorism is a war which cannot be won in a day ... Unless we have oppressed communities in our country terrorism will be there.....I agree we need to be strict but it should not come at the cost of justice... if the largest democracy in the world forget the virtues of justice then we are no different from a rebel state.
Its so sad that innocent people have to go through this mess. I just hope that the Indian government toughens up and gets the situation under control.
and India got bombed again, yesterday....
to answer your question... what we need is a change in philosophy. today two main thoughts exist...
1. hit once, turn over, and get hit again, and eventually remorse or pity will set in.
2. hit once, hit back, hit so back so violently, that nobody dares touch u again.
neither of these work anymore. the 1st option, doesnt work, coz then u just appear to be a sitting duck.
the second choice, well, there will always be consequences.
maybe, we need a new kind of negotiator...
@Zo, yeah the kind of negotiator, who hits back using some one else's shoulder and to the world is a sitting duck.
@esih
no, i dont think that wud serve the purpose. maybe the other way around. one who doesnt look like a sitting duck, but wont hit back either.
i'm thinking of an iceberg... so calm and small above the waterline, but beneath the surface, menacing to anyone who dare approacheth.
@zo,
true, i like the comparison, but the only problem i see in tht is..if someone stikes it..tht someone will no doubt be damaged pretty bad..but it will also crack the ice berg..or who knows may be break it as well...I dont think i want tht for our country..
@esih
yes that's true. u do point out a fatal flaw in my analogy. i tried to come up with something else that could work, but if you make the iceberg harder, so it cant crack, it gets too dense, and sinks. We cant have that either.
Right now, we are like putty. one impact, and we change shape to absorb it, continuing as if nothing happened.
where's the middle ground?
@zo,
for terrorism , theres no middle ground i think. There should be none actually. Its the people, who need to stop forgiving..and start being more proactive. Whats happening to India is..divide and rule...thts wht the brits did and thts wht these outfits are aiming at...you know its cliched..but we claim to be diverse yet united..crap..we r diverse alrgith..united..my foot!theres nothing of that remaining any more..I mean..i am taking the subject to a diff context here..but just look how the WB govt handled the singur nano project..its such a BS..they were more worried abt there political motivations, to not realise how many more jobs it could provide for their own constituencies..its ridiculous! Where is the unity and welfare for everyone factor??
@esih
so are u suggesting we do what happened one wednesday afternoon? thats wat would happen if ppl got more proactive.
i think thats the wrong path all together.
call me a pacifist, but dialogue seems better to me, altho Uj might argue against it. i think ppl who do this, do it for a reason. they dont just want to see the world burn. there is some underlying cause. if you believe there is no cause, u havent looked for one hard enough.
as for divide and rule, if someone feels suppressed, that policy will always work. because there is no real equality, such tactics get away with success. maybe we need to work on equality first.
@zo, equality it is!
I agree that some people look for the root cause, others look at it as eye for an eye. Here's my thoughts on the article - there is a very fine line between love and hate.
On the topic of love - OJ Simpson kills his wife for cheating, but why didn't Hillary kill Clinton?
After reading some books on terrorism, and trying to understand blogs, you would be amazed that there are some people overseas that actually have analyzed what is worse - Clinton cheating and the news trickling to the rest of the world or 911.
Please delete the last 3 posts. Thanks, TU.
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